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Makkert · Oct 25, 2006, 09:10 AM // 09:10

It is a feeling of having rights to 'discover' the build.
but it's not realistic, with Obs mode out all top level gvg and HA games are open to see for everyone.
As for pve, well...everything goes.

In short, such claims as 'secret build' are often foolish.

Father Anansi · Oct 25, 2006, 02:38 PM // 14:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Makkert

It is a feeling of having rights to 'discover' the build.
but it's not realistic, with Obs mode out all top level gvg and HA games are open to see for everyone.
As for pve, well...everything goes.

In short, such claims as 'secret build' are often foolish.

My thoughts in a simpler and less pejorative explanation.

I could probably learn something from this post.

fearian · Nov 08, 2006, 07:28 PM // 19:28

I actually like telling people my build! I think the more people use it the better! I love creating content for games, seeing people play what you made is brilliant and builds are the best player content in GW.

that said I can easily see why people wouldnt share their build and its their right not too. If they have a kick ass build that could become the next profession standard why post it on the wiki when you can share it descretly with your guild? this is especialy true in high levels of PvP where some players spend an obsessive amount of time learning and countering builds.

eggs0wn · Nov 12, 2006, 02:27 PM // 14:27

Well I just recently made a Sin Build which I know probaly other people have used/use but it was the first good build I have ever made myself in PvP so I want to keep it a secret because it feels special to me. I do usally share my build if it is just a normal build that isn't so secretive. But the build I made works really well and if someone really wants to see it just watch. If I have any of these special builds I will share em to guildies. (Seeing my guild has three people and I knoe em' all in real life)

JoeKnowMo · Nov 20, 2006, 10:16 PM // 22:16

It's hypocritical to copy builds from forums or get ideas for builds from here and turn around and not share your own "secret" builds with others.

It's a good thing the majority of posters don't feel threatened by others using their builds.

If you're annoyed by someone asking you what build you're using and you don't want to type it all out, you can always just direct them to this site and others like it.

In my experience, when someone comes out and says, "Here's my 'secret' build that I've been using for 2 months and now I'm willing to share", the build is usually subpar or already known. The best buildmakers are the ones that share their builds and make good use of the feedback.

Not A Fifty Five · Nov 23, 2006, 03:51 AM // 03:51

heh, OP I think the mesmer prolly thought you were asking his/her build because you questioned his playign ability. 90% of the time I see in RA people only ask someone's build, without saying wow that build owns what is it?, if they think they suck.

Warskull · Nov 26, 2006, 07:42 AM // 07:42

This is mostly an attitude of PvE players. With PvP players if you refuse to tell the team what you are running, you are no longer part of the team. Anyway, the skills and attributes are nice. However, the information that is truly valuable is why things are done. Most players won't tell you that because it can take quite some time to explain the concepts and isn't worth the effort most of the time.

Lyllrik · Dec 02, 2006, 08:48 AM // 08:48

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Originally Posted by Not A Fifty Five

heh, OP I think the mesmer prolly thought you were asking his/her build because you questioned his playign ability. 90% of the time I see in RA people only ask someone's build, without saying wow that build owns what is it?, if they think they suck.

Yep, I think that it. Had a monk once ran a good build, when the ranger suddenly asked about build he used. He ragequitted :|

Just add "Hey, you are good, what kind of build do you run?"

Very well, I never had problems sharing my build, PvP or PvE. Actually, I am one of those who contrib my builds to GuildWiki :|. Well OK, I don't share my nerfed runner build since it's useless xD...

Mesmer in Need · Dec 03, 2006, 07:47 PM // 19:47

I remember i had to explain to this guy that i wouldent let him gvg with us because he was a whammo. we were trying to pug together a quick gvg from our alliance, and he got really mad at me. he always would say that hes not using any monks skills. he also complained that he could do 200dps. he had skills like power attack and thrill of victory, he had no ias, and no speed buff. his only elites were charge and hh. but strangely enough, he had a 14^50 weapon with near perfect mobs. why do the noobs have the leet weapons?? why??

ACreator · Dec 03, 2006, 09:42 PM // 21:42

Actualy I dont like to say my builds to every1. Just friends and guildies.

Other players can observe-me and lean the build.

Right now I'v created a very nice build for a Sin (kills in 4sec with knowdowns in the midle, and in shall it fail, endeless combo) and it is soo good that I actualy dont want to share it.

It depends on person to person. I think that if I posted this build, many sins would start to use it, so many ppl would start to counter it, therefor it woulnt work anymore.

I dont blame any of the parts in here. It is up to single player decide or not to post is builds

Alleji · Dec 06, 2006, 05:53 PM // 17:53

There's no such thing as a secret build anymore. Any build that's good inevitably makes it onto observer mode by the virtue of being good... and from there, it gets copied by countless people.

Before obs mode, there had been a lot more to this "secrecy", but even back then, builds spread around the higher end of the ladder. It's not as easy as copying a build from observer mode, but you can copy a build from your opponent in the game just as well.

Splatter Mcnasty · Dec 06, 2006, 07:57 PM // 19:57

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Originally Posted by Maria The Princess

@ OP: maby there scared that if you find out about this super build and post it it will get nurfed after 1 week or so

This is exactly why i dont post most of my builds. Given ANet's track record on skill nerfing, I'm surprised at the number of builds people DO post.

...and none of my exact builds are anywhere on guildwiki, some are close, but none exactly the same.

[email protected] · Dec 08, 2006, 10:53 AM // 10:53

OK I am one of those people GRRR. STOP TALKING ABOUT ME :P Well anyways the reason i dont shar is cuz I have taken days ata atime to make build for my farming and then i find it posted on Wiki I didnt care at the time then a mounth later 4 of my fav build that took me mounths to make wer nerfed in one RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing night. SO YES I KEEP THEM A SECRET NOW o and as far as coping someones build by watching it lol Kinda hard when that person solos. lol I use stand builds now when i am with other people and my speacial builds when soloing. Sence the last couble of nerfs I have one 1 new build up and starting another in case it gets nerfed cuz someone else is just as smart and sees sertain8 skill woop ass lol I really hate my builds getting nerfed I only keep it with my guildies now and i see he alrdy posted it on wiki

i am so kicking him.

Losttoapathy · Dec 08, 2006, 12:47 PM // 12:47

I wouldn't give anyone my build either...depending on the situation. I mean, as was said before, the majority of builds can EASILY be found on guru, wiki, etc. So just because they're too lazy to look them up doesn't mean I'm going to tell them. This mainly applies to people who want to know solo farming/running bulids which are everywhere.

However, if it was in the case that this person was in my team and I needed them to have the same bulid as me, then I would tell them my build as it would benefit the team. Or if they needed advice on a different build and I was in a position to help them, that wouldn't be a problem.

Yanman.be · Dec 08, 2006, 12:55 PM // 12:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by [email protected]

OK I am one of those people GRRR. STOP TALKING ABOUT ME :P Well anyways the reason i dont shar is cuz I have taken days ata atime to make build for my farming and then i find it posted on Wiki I didnt care at the time then a mounth later 4 of my fav build that took me mounths to make wer nerfed in one RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing night. SO YES I KEEP THEM A SECRET NOW o and as far as coping someones build by watching it lol Kinda hard when that person solos. lol I use stand builds now when i am with other people and my speacial builds when soloing. Sence the last couble of nerfs I have one 1 new build up and starting another in case it gets nerfed cuz someone else is just as smart and sees sertain8 skill woop ass lol I really hate my builds getting nerfed I only keep it with my guildies now and i see he alrdy posted it on wiki

i am so kicking him.

Try to spell, thanks.

People who keep their builds secret are either: Retarded "selfish" people, or embarrassed to post their crappy build.

Epinephrine · Dec 08, 2006, 04:03 PM // 16:03

"Secret builds" are for the incredibly obtuse. Nobody cares about your build, if it's good other people are doing it.

The Last Preacher · Jan 02, 2007, 05:21 PM // 17:21

Sure I get your point and its no need to go crazy. But imagine playing guild wars a lot, and making your own really origonal build and it works great. You don't exactly want to spread it around do you.

Stupid Shizno · Jan 02, 2007, 06:39 PM // 18:39

in my mindset, information is free, knowledge is not. ill ctrl+skill bar to anyone, that dosnt actually mean they know how to run my build.

Boone · Jan 02, 2007, 07:17 PM // 19:17

I prefer to not share my builds, I made some really good builds, and they got nerfed because I told so many people. (for example, spirit bond monk >.<)

I keep my builds to myself now >.>

Sam I Are · Jan 02, 2007, 07:38 PM // 19:38

I highly doubt only you knew about the spirit bond monk, then told everybody so it was nerfed...

Dec 06, 2006, 05:53 PM // 17:53	#31
Alleji Forge Runner Join Date: Jan 2006	There's no such thing as a secret build anymore. Any build that's good inevitably makes it onto observer mode by the virtue of being good... and from there, it gets copied by countless people. Before obs mode, there had been a lot more to this "secrecy", but even back then, builds spread around the higher end of the ladder. It's not as easy as copying a build from observer mode, but you can copy a build from your opponent in the game just as well. Last edited by Alleji; Dec 06, 2006 at 06:02 PM // 18:02..

Oct 25, 2006, 09:10 AM // 09:10	#21
Makkert Black Beast of Aarrrrgghh Join Date: May 2005 Location: The Netherlands Guild: The Biggyverse [PLEB] // Servants of Fortuna [SoF]	It is a feeling of having rights to 'discover' the build. but it's not realistic, with Obs mode out all top level gvg and HA games are open to see for everyone. As for pve, well...everything goes. In short, such claims as 'secret build' are often foolish.

Nov 08, 2006, 07:28 PM // 19:28	#23
fearian Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: UK Guild: PxR Profession: R/	I actually like telling people my build! I think the more people use it the better! I love creating content for games, seeing people play what you made is brilliant and builds are the best player content in GW. that said I can easily see why people wouldnt share their build and its their right not too. If they have a kick ass build that could become the next profession standard why post it on the wiki when you can share it descretly with your guild? this is especialy true in high levels of PvP where some players spend an obsessive amount of time learning and countering builds.

Nov 12, 2006, 02:27 PM // 14:27	#24
eggs0wn Krytan Explorer Join Date: Jun 2006	Well I just recently made a Sin Build which I know probaly other people have used/use but it was the first good build I have ever made myself in PvP so I want to keep it a secret because it feels special to me. I do usally share my build if it is just a normal build that isn't so secretive. But the build I made works really well and if someone really wants to see it just watch. If I have any of these special builds I will share em to guildies. (Seeing my guild has three people and I knoe em' all in real life)

Nov 20, 2006, 10:16 PM // 22:16	#25
JoeKnowMo Jungle Guide Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Wessst Siiide, USA Profession: Mo/	It's hypocritical to copy builds from forums or get ideas for builds from here and turn around and not share your own "secret" builds with others. It's a good thing the majority of posters don't feel threatened by others using their builds. If you're annoyed by someone asking you what build you're using and you don't want to type it all out, you can always just direct them to this site and others like it. In my experience, when someone comes out and says, "Here's my 'secret' build that I've been using for 2 months and now I'm willing to share", the build is usually subpar or already known. The best buildmakers are the ones that share their builds and make good use of the feedback.

Nov 23, 2006, 03:51 AM // 03:51	#26
Not A Fifty Five Jungle Guide Join Date: Apr 2006 Guild: Creating guild Profession: Mo/	heh, OP I think the mesmer prolly thought you were asking his/her build because you questioned his playign ability. 90% of the time I see in RA people only ask someone's build, without saying wow that build owns what is it?, if they think they suck.

Nov 26, 2006, 07:42 AM // 07:42	#27
Warskull Site Contributor Join Date: Jul 2005 Guild: [out]	This is mostly an attitude of PvE players. With PvP players if you refuse to tell the team what you are running, you are no longer part of the team. Anyway, the skills and attributes are nice. However, the information that is truly valuable is why things are done. Most players won't tell you that because it can take quite some time to explain the concepts and isn't worth the effort most of the time.

Dec 03, 2006, 07:47 PM // 19:47	#29
Mesmer in Need Forge Runner Join Date: Mar 2006 Guild: [ToA]	I remember i had to explain to this guy that i wouldent let him gvg with us because he was a whammo. we were trying to pug together a quick gvg from our alliance, and he got really mad at me. he always would say that hes not using any monks skills. he also complained that he could do 200dps. he had skills like power attack and thrill of victory, he had no ias, and no speed buff. his only elites were charge and hh. but strangely enough, he had a 14^50 weapon with near perfect mobs. why do the noobs have the leet weapons?? why??

Dec 03, 2006, 09:42 PM // 21:42	#30
ACreator Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Sep 2006 Profession: Mo/	Actualy I dont like to say my builds to every1. Just friends and guildies. Other players can observe-me and lean the build. Right now I'v created a very nice build for a Sin (kills in 4sec with knowdowns in the midle, and in shall it fail, endeless combo) and it is soo good that I actualy dont want to share it. It depends on person to person. I think that if I posted this build, many sins would start to use it, so many ppl would start to counter it, therefor it woulnt work anymore. I dont blame any of the parts in here. It is up to single player decide or not to post is builds

Dec 08, 2006, 10:53 AM // 10:53	#33
[email protected] Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Katy, TX Guild: Famers Of Chaos Profession: W/Mo	OK I am one of those people GRRR. STOP TALKING ABOUT ME :P Well anyways the reason i dont shar is cuz I have taken days ata atime to make build for my farming and then i find it posted on Wiki I didnt care at the time then a mounth later 4 of my fav build that took me mounths to make wer nerfed in one RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing night. SO YES I KEEP THEM A SECRET NOW o and as far as coping someones build by watching it lol Kinda hard when that person solos. lol I use stand builds now when i am with other people and my speacial builds when soloing. Sence the last couble of nerfs I have one 1 new build up and starting another in case it gets nerfed cuz someone else is just as smart and sees sertain8 skill woop ass lol I really hate my builds getting nerfed I only keep it with my guildies now and i see he alrdy posted it on wiki i am so kicking him.

Dec 08, 2006, 12:47 PM // 12:47	#34
Losttoapathy Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Glasgow, UK. Guild: The Cult of Weegie [Cow] Profession: R/	I wouldn't give anyone my build either...depending on the situation. I mean, as was said before, the majority of builds can EASILY be found on guru, wiki, etc. So just because they're too lazy to look them up doesn't mean I'm going to tell them. This mainly applies to people who want to know solo farming/running bulids which are everywhere. However, if it was in the case that this person was in my team and I needed them to have the same bulid as me, then I would tell them my build as it would benefit the team. Or if they needed advice on a different build and I was in a position to help them, that wouldn't be a problem.

Dec 08, 2006, 04:03 PM // 16:03	#36
Epinephrine Master of Beasts Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Ottawa, Canada Guild: Servants of Fortuna [SoF]	"Secret builds" are for the incredibly obtuse. Nobody cares about your build, if it's good other people are doing it.

Jan 02, 2007, 05:21 PM // 17:21	#37
The Last Preacher Academy Page Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: UK Guild: None and looking! Profession: N/	Sure I get your point and its no need to go crazy. But imagine playing guild wars a lot, and making your own really origonal build and it works great. You don't exactly want to spread it around do you.

Jan 02, 2007, 06:39 PM // 18:39	#38
Stupid Shizno Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Madison, Wisconsin, USA Guild: [eF] Profession: Mo/	in my mindset, information is free, knowledge is not. ill ctrl+skill bar to anyone, that dosnt actually mean they know how to run my build.

Jan 02, 2007, 07:17 PM // 19:17	#39
Boone Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Mar 2006 Profession: Mo/E	I prefer to not share my builds, I made some really good builds, and they got nerfed because I told so many people. (for example, spirit bond monk >.<) I keep my builds to myself now >.>

Jan 02, 2007, 07:38 PM // 19:38	#40
Sam I Are Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Jun 2006 Guild: Club of a Thousand Pandas [LOD???] Profession: A/N	I highly doubt only you knew about the spirit bond monk, then told everybody so it was nerfed...